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Interview|The story of "A Place to Disappear"--Interview with Pablo Lerma

2017-08-04 14:52:23  source: PHOTOINTER [Special Manuscript]  author: Judy Cai  editor: 斫子 Su Yuezhuo

Interview_PabloLerma_05.jpgInstallation views from A Place to Disappear,Konstanet (Tallin), 2016

Judy Cai (JC): What attracts you to mainly focus on photography, instead of painting? How you see the connections between these two disciplines? How do they influence your practice?

Pablo Lerma (PL): I started painting when I was 13 years old. At that moment, I was very interested in the idea of mimesis, I remember to paint almost every organic object in my surroundings; fruits, vegetables, trees, … For a few years, I spent my weekends and summer times drawing and painting. When I went to college and started my major in painting, I realized that I was missing something. My desire of reproducing reality was gone, so I felt trapped in endless processes while I was painting with oil. More and more I was using photographs to paint, instead of painting from natural objects. That was the moment that I knew photography would be the next step. Why I wanted to continue painting photographs if I can take myself those images? Before I finished my bachelor in painting, I was enrolled in a photography school to start my training as a photographer.

For me, the most powerful connection between painting and photography is the sense of time, and how with only a gesture, you can use time as a tool to change the reality that you’re trying to capture/interpret. A painting it’s made by layers and layers of pigments, each layer is a new stratum of time, meanwhile, a photograph is made using a shutter that modifies the amount of time of the reality in the moment that image is captured. In my understanding, time is the bond between painting and photography.

The artistic references that influence my practice can go from cinema to architecture or gardening. I do visit several shows of painting and photography, but more and more I am leaning towards a type of work that reinterprets instead of represents.

Interview_PabloLerma_06.jpgInstallation views from A Place to Disappear,Konstanet (Tallin), 2016

JC: What's your most recent project? What's the idea/concept behind it? Could you briefly share with the readers?

PL: I’ve been working for the last 4 years in a project called “A Place to Disappear”. It is a visual project that explores man’s absence from the primitive landscape on the Earth. Imagining a near future, where the humans will disappear from this planet but come back to Earth centuries later.

The project focuses on the traces of utopian landscapes in transformation and extinction, and combines them with vernacular photographs from expeditions in the 19th century that documented the same locations.

Consequently, the sequence collapses space and time in a way that reflects the relationship between the archive and human memory. The visual narrative also reveals the impossibility of a fixed landscape and taps into the viewers’ imaginations.

I am in the last stage of the project, working on a photobook that it will be published in the second half of 2017. The dummy of the book was nominated to the “First Book Award” by MACK Editions this year.

Interview_PabloLerma_01.jpgOuter Lands II (from A Place to Disappear) 2015

Outer Lands III (from A Place to Disappear) 2015

JC: Your practice includes lots of intense researches on the nation, and this earth we are living on. What stories you would like to tell the audience through your lens and creation?

PL: I would like to tell stories of unreachable places, utopian landscapes, undiscovered locations, lost archives, and future memories. My work always evolves into a revisit to the past to understand the future. What we’ve done that changes our perception to the future in the natural world.

I am concerned about our own existence in terms of memory and subjectivity, and the way institutions dominate our understanding of history, knowledge, and the natural world to create a universal narration that forgets always anything out of the standard.

Interview_PabloLerma_02.jpgThe Wall (from A Place to Disappear) 2015

The Wall (archive) - (from A Place to Disappear) 2015

JC: Are the publications the extension of your artworks? Many photographers are exploring cross-discipline creation, photography + installation, photography + publication etc. How you see the future development of photography field?

PL: Yes, publications and photobooks are an extension and sometimes the only vehicle to show my work. I remember to be in college and feel prouder about my final zine than the artwork itself. Through the years, I continued working on small zines and publications, but always feeling a bit ashamed of undervaluing my own artwork, until I discovered the photobook clubs and its big community worldwide that works to show and promote books made with photographs. After I moved to New York, I started joining meetings and salons, where publishers and photobook makers present their books. At some point, I started shooting images with my instant cameras thinking about books as a final container for that artwork. That’s how I started self-publishing my photobooks. The first one was “Stumps”, followed by “Arga”, and now I am working on a third publication related to the Sandwich Islands.

The development of photography is moving forward very fast. The concept of camera and the role of the photographer is changing constantly. Do we need a film camera? Or maybe a full-frame DSLR camera? Why don’t we shoot with our cell-phones? Internet and social media add a new dimension to the photography world that makes this field more popular than ever. I am someone who grow up between film cameras and digital cameras. I had my first computer and cell-phone at very young age, and most probably that changed my perception on photography. However, I still do believe that film cameras have different sense of time and capture that moves away from any other digital camera. Without any doubt, the future of the photography will be reshaped by the digital world.

Interview_PabloLerma_04.jpgOuter Lands I (from A Place to Disappear) 2015

JC: What's your relationship with ICP? How you see this institution's role in New York, and in current photography field in general?

PL: I am a Faculty member at the International Center of Photography, I became involved with the school as a TA the very first weeks I moved to New York. My experience with ICP it’s been rewarding from day one. The fact that I started as a TA working in the Darkrooms, gave a lot of experience and time to familiarize with procedures in the school. For two years, I was assisting different instructors and learning from them multiple approaches to the teaching task. Eventually, I was proposed to become a Faculty member and start teaching with them. Recently, I started collaborating with a community program of ICP in the Bronx, where I teach darkrooms courses to pre-teens.

ICP develops a magnificent role in the photography community in New York. A school with a profound heritage in photo-documentary, founded by Cornell Capa, that progress with contemporary ways of reaching out new audiences through new programs, like the new media program, or the MFA program with Bard College and without forgetting the new location of the Museum at Bowery.

Interview_PabloLerma_07.jpgInstallation views from A Place to Disappear,Konstanet (Tallin), 2016

Interview_PabloLerma_08.jpgInstallation views from A Place to Disappear,Konstanet (Tallin), 2016


Pablo Lerma is a visual artist and researcher based in New York.

His artistic practice involves researching and collecting photographs, maps, drawings, illustrations, and geological material addressing concepts such as time, change, erosion, and extinction.

He holds a BFA in Painting and MFA in Studio Art from the University of Barcelona; and a Diploma in General Studies of Photography from the Institut d’Estudis Fotogràfics de Catalunya, Spain.

His work has been exhibited at; Flowers Gallery, Konstanet, Centro Huarte, NYU, Fotoweek D.C., SCAN International Festival of Photography, La Fábrica and Fundació Foto Colectania, among others.

He is a Faculty member at the International Center of Photography and Kean University.

Judy Cai is Program Officer of NYFA Learning/Asian Affairs at New York Foundation for the Arts (NYFA). She facilitates various professional development programs at NYFA, such as entrepreneurial boot camps and the Immigrant Artist Mentoring Program, to better serve individual artists. With a strong interest in arts and cultural exchange, Cai also manages a number of NYFA’s China programs, and conducts outreach to local Asian artist communities. Since 2013, she has led three intensive professional development training programs for Chinese arts administrators and curators in the United States. She is also the Chief Representative in the United States for the Shanghai Interactive Festival of Theatre (SHIFT), the only festival focused on interactive theatre and arts and technology in Mainland China.

Prior to NYFA, Cai was the Outreach Coordinator at the Flushing Council on Culture and the Arts. To become a strong advocate of a global arts exchange and to gain extensive experiences in international communications, Judy also worked at Christie’s, Dance/USA, and Shanghai International Arts Festival. Currently based in New York, Judy Cai has a MA in Arts Management from Carnegie Mellon University, a BS in Culture and Arts Management, and a Bachelor of Law, from Shanghai Jiao Tong University.

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